Fire Element Overpowered - Guild Wars Forums

magicman117 · Apr 20, 2008, 08:55 PM // 20:55

Is it just me or are fire elementalists way overpowered? Think about it, go into an Alliance Battle, and look at all the elementalists you see. Chances are 99% of them are going to be fire elementalists. Because it's way overpowered.
Earth has a chance of knocking down... useless compared to fires 7 pip degen at 2 health per second.
And i know, Chances are some people who are reading this are using fire elementalists in Guild Wars, but ask yourself this... (If you're using the element of fire) Why are you using fire? Is it because you just like it? Or is it because it deals and immense amount damage and causes burning which is a 7 pip degen for a few seconds.
I know fire is effective, but at the speed of a 7 pip degen for up to like 8 or 9 seconds... that's just crazy. I just think that Guild Wars should make all elements close to each other, with their own specialties. I know burning is a specialty, but it should be like a -3 or 4 pip degen and last a little longer. Nerfs barely ever seem to be done on fire elements. It's all on water, lightning, or earth.

I'd like to know your imput on this. Because I have spoken to a few people and quite a few have agreed with me that fire is overpowered.

What do you think?

jhu · Apr 20, 2008, 08:56 PM // 20:56

it's just you

rike1 · Apr 20, 2008, 08:58 PM // 20:58

Fire is probably the strongest, but there are other good builds out there.

They don't have the degen burning does, but lightning builds can be strong and powerful and earth builds are more for defense while dishing out small damage.

I think water sucks though ^_^

Squishy ftw · Apr 20, 2008, 09:02 PM // 21:02

lolno.

It's just you alright.

Fire is mostly some ok damage, with nice aoe skills.

Each elementl line has it's specialty, fire is simply the one with the most damage(altho air spikes can be nasty aswel).

magicman117 · Apr 20, 2008, 09:03 PM // 21:03

I agree with you that other builds are effective and work. But it just seems that they made all of the elements mediocre, where as fires burning with the 7 pip degen seems a little extreme to me.

RPGmaniac · Apr 20, 2008, 09:03 PM // 21:03

The simplest way to counter a fire elementalist is either move out of their AoE or predict the next time they're casting their spell (since all the non-AoE fire builds require you to spam something) and interrupt it.

Each element serves different roles:

Earth is great for defense through wards and armor spells. There are a couple decent damage dealers in there too such as Sandstorm and Obsidian flame

Air is good for single target spike damage because most of its spells have armor penetration. Plus they have blind, weakness, and knockdowns, but virtually no AoE.

Water is mostly for melee hate. There's a lot of powerful snares as well as blurred vision.

Fire is the only way to go for an ele if you want AoE damage. The only problem is most of those AoE spells have at least a 20 second recharge. Not only that but they tend to cost the most energy, too

Also, if you think burning is imba then take a look at spells like Conjure Phantasm. Virtually spammable 8 degen. And a decent spike heal can usually outheal burning most of the time.

Covah · Apr 20, 2008, 09:04 PM // 21:04

fire = dmg + degen
water = snaring
earth = armor buffs
air = blind and armor pen.

Fire is suppost to be the dmg, thats like saying a warrior shouldn't use a weapon because it causes alot of dmg. Mesmers can have constant -12 degen for 20+ seconds, does that mean Illusion is over powered?

Tyla · Apr 20, 2008, 09:06 PM // 21:06

Mending is overpowered because it's used alot.

Do I get a cookie?

RPGmaniac · Apr 20, 2008, 09:09 PM // 21:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Covah

Mesmers can have constant -12 degen for 20+ seconds, does that mean Illusion is over powered?

Not only that but hexes are harder to remove than conditions

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyla

Mending is overpowered because it's used alot.

Do I get a cookie?

Sure, here you go

(insert the somewhat famous cookie pic)

Schmitty211 · Apr 20, 2008, 09:10 PM // 21:10

i use a fire ele, why do i use it, because a year ago when i was a noob all i knew how to do was farm balth faction in the stupid challanges and i unlocked almost all the fire spells >_>

now i rarely play an ele so when i do, i use a fire ele.

magicman117 · Apr 20, 2008, 09:12 PM // 21:12

Yes, i agree that mesmers can get a high degen on you, but that is their job. It costs mesmers a lot of energy to cast spells to do that, at that they have far less energy than an elementalist too. Fire elementalists just have to cast a few spells and cause burning, which on top of the amazing damage that fire causes, it also causes burning.

Tyla · Apr 20, 2008, 09:13 PM // 21:13

Mesmers are ment for disruption and hex pressure, not degen...
But if you want to throw away the strength of what a Mesmer has, be my guest.

magicman117 · Apr 20, 2008, 09:17 PM // 21:17

Haha yes they are also meant for that, but when you have a warrior beating on your face when you're a mesmer, chances are you can't disrupt a warrior to death. You have to deal some damage too.

Tyla · Apr 20, 2008, 09:18 PM // 21:18

Leave the damage dealing to a Warrior, and kite. It makes a whole world of a difference.

xeRox teh Sorcerer · Apr 20, 2008, 09:20 PM // 21:20

Fire magic is more over-rated than it is over-powered.
CoP FTW

magicman117 · Apr 20, 2008, 09:23 PM // 21:23

How is it not over powered? It is used by just about every elementalist because it is effective and powerful.

Tyla · Apr 20, 2008, 09:26 PM // 21:26

Again, Mending is overused, is it good? No.

All Eles truely have in PvP, is Water Snares / Blurred, Gale and Ward Against Melee (Getting close to death) / Foes.

Fire is only really good against the idiots. (The majority of RA / AB = idiots, and I'm not including only the K/L NPC's in AB.)

OSUJay · Apr 20, 2008, 09:27 PM // 21:27

As Tyla pointed out, a lot of Warriors run around with Mending. Does it make it overpowered? No, it makes people sheep.

Fire is used in AB because it is effective there. In GvG, I see more air Ele's than fire because people don't bunch up as much and fire loses it's main advantage. As others have already said, each element has it's own advantages and disadvantages. No one element is more powerful than all the others in every situation.

milkflopance · Apr 20, 2008, 09:31 PM // 21:31

Warriors can deal more damage to single targets than fire eles. Clearly they need a nerf too.

xeRox teh Sorcerer · Apr 20, 2008, 09:34 PM // 21:34

Like I said, CoP FTW.

Apr 20, 2008, 08:55 PM // 20:55	#1
magicman117 Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Apr 2008 Guild: Devils Among Gods Profession: Mo/Me	Fire Element Overpowered Is it just me or are fire elementalists way overpowered? Think about it, go into an Alliance Battle, and look at all the elementalists you see. Chances are 99% of them are going to be fire elementalists. Because it's way overpowered. Earth has a chance of knocking down... useless compared to fires 7 pip degen at 2 health per second. And i know, Chances are some people who are reading this are using fire elementalists in Guild Wars, but ask yourself this... (If you're using the element of fire) Why are you using fire? Is it because you just like it? Or is it because it deals and immense amount damage and causes burning which is a 7 pip degen for a few seconds. I know fire is effective, but at the speed of a 7 pip degen for up to like 8 or 9 seconds... that's just crazy. I just think that Guild Wars should make all elements close to each other, with their own specialties. I know burning is a specialty, but it should be like a -3 or 4 pip degen and last a little longer. Nerfs barely ever seem to be done on fire elements. It's all on water, lightning, or earth. I'd like to know your imput on this. Because I have spoken to a few people and quite a few have agreed with me that fire is overpowered. What do you think?

Apr 20, 2008, 08:56 PM // 20:56	#2
jhu Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jun 2007	User Name it's just you

Apr 20, 2008, 09:03 PM // 21:03	#5
magicman117 Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Apr 2008 Guild: Devils Among Gods Profession: Mo/Me	Re: rike1 I agree with you that other builds are effective and work. But it just seems that they made all of the elements mediocre, where as fires burning with the 7 pip degen seems a little extreme to me.

Apr 20, 2008, 08:58 PM // 20:58	#3
rike1 Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Feb 2008 Guild: Back off Cynn Mhenlo is mine Profession: E/Mo	Fire is probably the strongest, but there are other good builds out there. They don't have the degen burning does, but lightning builds can be strong and powerful and earth builds are more for defense while dishing out small damage. I think water sucks though ^_^

Apr 20, 2008, 09:02 PM // 21:02	#4
Squishy ftw Desert Nomad Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Your backline Profession: W/	lolno. It's just you alright. Fire is mostly some ok damage, with nice aoe skills. Each elementl line has it's specialty, fire is simply the one with the most damage(altho air spikes can be nasty aswel).

Apr 20, 2008, 09:03 PM // 21:03	#6
RPGmaniac Desert Nomad Join Date: Aug 2005	The simplest way to counter a fire elementalist is either move out of their AoE or predict the next time they're casting their spell (since all the non-AoE fire builds require you to spam something) and interrupt it. Each element serves different roles: Earth is great for defense through wards and armor spells. There are a couple decent damage dealers in there too such as Sandstorm and Obsidian flame Air is good for single target spike damage because most of its spells have armor penetration. Plus they have blind, weakness, and knockdowns, but virtually no AoE. Water is mostly for melee hate. There's a lot of powerful snares as well as blurred vision. Fire is the only way to go for an ele if you want AoE damage. The only problem is most of those AoE spells have at least a 20 second recharge. Not only that but they tend to cost the most energy, too Also, if you think burning is imba then take a look at spells like Conjure Phantasm. Virtually spammable 8 degen. And a decent spike heal can usually outheal burning most of the time.

Apr 20, 2008, 09:04 PM // 21:04	#7
Covah Forge Runner Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ontario, Canada Guild: Catching Jellyfish With [소N트T ] Profession: Me/Rt	fire = dmg + degen water = snaring earth = armor buffs air = blind and armor pen. Fire is suppost to be the dmg, thats like saying a warrior shouldn't use a weapon because it causes alot of dmg. Mesmers can have constant -12 degen for 20+ seconds, does that mean Illusion is over powered?

Apr 20, 2008, 09:06 PM // 21:06	#8
Tyla Emo Goth Italics Join Date: Sep 2006	Mending is overpowered because it's used alot. Do I get a cookie?

Apr 20, 2008, 09:10 PM // 21:10	#10
Schmitty211 Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Mar 2008 Guild: [RB] Profession: R/	i use a fire ele, why do i use it, because a year ago when i was a noob all i knew how to do was farm balth faction in the stupid challanges and i unlocked almost all the fire spells >_> now i rarely play an ele so when i do, i use a fire ele.

Apr 20, 2008, 09:12 PM // 21:12	#11
magicman117 Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Apr 2008 Guild: Devils Among Gods Profession: Mo/Me	Yes, i agree that mesmers can get a high degen on you, but that is their job. It costs mesmers a lot of energy to cast spells to do that, at that they have far less energy than an elementalist too. Fire elementalists just have to cast a few spells and cause burning, which on top of the amazing damage that fire causes, it also causes burning.

Apr 20, 2008, 09:13 PM // 21:13	#12
Tyla Emo Goth Italics Join Date: Sep 2006	Mesmers are ment for disruption and hex pressure, not degen... But if you want to throw away the strength of what a Mesmer has, be my guest.

Apr 20, 2008, 09:17 PM // 21:17	#13
magicman117 Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Apr 2008 Guild: Devils Among Gods Profession: Mo/Me	Haha yes they are also meant for that, but when you have a warrior beating on your face when you're a mesmer, chances are you can't disrupt a warrior to death. You have to deal some damage too.

Apr 20, 2008, 09:18 PM // 21:18	#14
Tyla Emo Goth Italics Join Date: Sep 2006	Leave the damage dealing to a Warrior, and kite. It makes a whole world of a difference.

Apr 20, 2008, 09:20 PM // 21:20	#15
xeRox teh Sorcerer Academy Page Join Date: Jan 2007 Guild: Hiding From Shitters [Shh] Profession: N/	Fire magic is more over-rated than it is over-powered. CoP FTW

Apr 20, 2008, 09:23 PM // 21:23	#16
magicman117 Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Apr 2008 Guild: Devils Among Gods Profession: Mo/Me	How is it not over powered? It is used by just about every elementalist because it is effective and powerful.

Apr 20, 2008, 09:26 PM // 21:26	#17
Tyla Emo Goth Italics Join Date: Sep 2006	Again, Mending is overused, is it good? No. All Eles truely have in PvP, is Water Snares / Blurred, Gale and Ward Against Melee (Getting close to death) / Foes. Fire is only really good against the idiots. (The majority of RA / AB = idiots, and I'm not including only the K/L NPC's in AB.)

Apr 20, 2008, 09:27 PM // 21:27	#18
OSUJay Guest Join Date: Feb 2008 Profession: W/	As Tyla pointed out, a lot of Warriors run around with Mending. Does it make it overpowered? No, it makes people sheep. Fire is used in AB because it is effective there. In GvG, I see more air Ele's than fire because people don't bunch up as much and fire loses it's main advantage. As others have already said, each element has it's own advantages and disadvantages. No one element is more powerful than all the others in every situation.

Apr 20, 2008, 09:31 PM // 21:31	#19
milkflopance Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: England Guild: The Cult of Scaro [WHO]	Warriors can deal more damage to single targets than fire eles. Clearly they need a nerf too.

Apr 20, 2008, 09:34 PM // 21:34	#20
xeRox teh Sorcerer Academy Page Join Date: Jan 2007 Guild: Hiding From Shitters [Shh] Profession: N/	Like I said, CoP FTW.